Good morning/afternoon everyone! Please welcome Mr. May back- if you were not here last class, he is my advisor from St. John Fisher (9th period).
If you have not given me your essay, please do so today. Thank you to everyone who worked diligently to complete them!
Agenda:
-Quick write:
Your
journal entry will be titled “I Want a Husband” or “I Want a Wife”. You will
briefly describe what you would be looking for in a relationship with your
husband or wife. What types of things do you feel they should be responsible
for? Traditionally, what role should they play?
-As a class, we will read two essays:
- "I Want a Wife" by Judy Brady
- "Not All Men Are Sly Foxes" by Armin A. Brott
-You will be broken up into pairs (You will get to pick your partner out of a hat so that way you are responsible for picking your partner!)
-Each pair will complete a graphic organizer for both essays looking at the author's rhetorical use of ethos, pathos, and logos
-Based on the information you put in your graphic organizer, you and your partner will develop a thesis statement comparing and contrasting the rhetorical devices that each author has used (No, you do not have to write the essay)
-Graphic organizers and thesis statements are due at the end of class
HOMEWORK QUESTIONS:
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How
has the view of relationships between men and women changed when considering
the time lapse between The Awakening
and “I Want a Wife”? Is Brady’s argument the same as Chopin’s? Why or why not?
·
How
have relationships evolved between men and women considering our current
social/political/economical condition? Does Brady’s argument still hold true?
Do more people agree with Brott and his plea for justice and equality? Why or
why not?
Gender roles did change between the Awakening and I Want a Wife. In the Awakening, women did not have jobs, and their role was housekeeper to take care of the kids and have people over. As described in I want a Wife, it does not seem that much else had changed. The "wife" has a job, albeit a part-time one, but the wife is still expected to do all the shopping, cleaning, planning and care of the house and family. which was what Edna's expected role was in the novel. The authors do not have the complete same argument. Chopin's message is that women are worth more than they are treated as in society and that they deserve to be treated as equals and have the same rights. She does not touch much on the gender roles when it comes to the division of roles in a household. Brady however makes her point all about the division of household and family responsibilities. Women had jobs in the 1970's and they were treated much more as human equals at this time, with more rights and liberties. They were still somehow expected to have a job or a part time and still take care of house and home. the perfect wife is basically wonder woman in the eyes of many men. That is what Brady is saying. The view of what women vs. men should do, in society was very warped
ReplyDeleteThe actual relationships between men and women have evolved greatly. Women and men are both expected to go to college and get jobs. boyfriends or husbands definitely have responsibilities at home. It is not unusual for a mother to be the larger income provider in a house instead of the father. However, the actual division of labor in a household is still around 70% women and 30% men. So Brady's argument does still stands true. Males in households do not do their fair share of the cleaning, cooking or childcare in most American homes. It is not invisible though and there is a push for men to do more. Popular culture, tv shows, and commercials have made the effort to portray men as caring fathers, equal in the housework. I have read several articles about people where the father took over the mothers housework and their marriage turned out for the better. Many men are trying harder to give their wives help and the choice to not be the main parent. There are many families with stay at home fathers and working mothers. Times have changed, and hopefully for the better.
I do believe the relationship between man and woman has changed compared to the time lapse of Chopin and Brady's work. "Acceptable" behavior in society by women has also been changed. Brady argues the role of a woman from an assertive man while Chopin follows up on the life of a woman with new found freedom. These social standards are still held true for many cultures. Popular culture does set the motion for many styles of living like Sophie says and, changes is still slowly occuring. Today we have shows hosted by women, careers established by women who live outside of what is known as women's work. Hillary Clinton is a perfect example of a woman as a higher official. We are making very small changes but there is still room for improvement. Most political and economic positions are held by men. There is still discrimination of sex and other oppressive things. Brott's argument can be supported but holds little credibility in a evolving population socially.
ReplyDelete1) I do not believe that Chopin and Brady's arguments are the same because the relationship between men and women did in fact change slightly. Although Chopin is expressing that she feels women are trapped by their responsibilities and well as Brady, Brady only focuses on the responsibilities to prove her point while Chopin throws in freedom and self actualization.
ReplyDelete2) I believe that men and women have become more equal socially and economically as a whole. Women are generally pad the same now and treated equally in social environments but now men are starting to feel wronged. men are starting to feel like they are the less caring parents, and are displayed as such through media.
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DeleteYes, the relationship between men and women has changed compared to the time lapse. I feel as though both Chopin and Brady did have the same argument. they just expressed their arguments in a different mannor. Both talked about how women were viewed and what their roles in society were. Most relationships have evolved where responsibilities are more equal. Usually both the male and female provide income to support the family also they both take care of the children. Yes, her argument still holds true because there are still guys out there that believe thats how things should be. Yes, both sexes should be equal and not taken out of the equation of life due to the majority of peoples thought because there are acceptions that are starting to become more of the majority.
ReplyDelete1) There were some significant changes between the two times. The arguments are similar, but different. During Chopin's time, there was more of a legal oppression on women. However, when Judy Brady wrote "I Want a Wife," women were fully considered to be citizens and people. There was still social oppression, which is what Brady addressed in her essay.
ReplyDelete2) Relationships have changed. They've become more dynamic, able to adapt to whatever works for people. In the early 1900s and earlier you probably couldn't find a stay-at-home dad to save your life. Now, if that's what couples want, that's what they can do. Brady's argument is very important today, because most men acknowledge, at least to and extent, that women deserve as much as them. Brott's ideas, however, are a bit more relevant today. Brott's argument is more about making sure women get just as much as men, and no more. Some women (and I really emphasize some) are still in a fight-for-your-rights kind of mode, or they think men are bad, or whatever it may be. Brott's argument adresses those women more.
1) Chopin and Brady had similar messages but not quite the same. Brady focused more on women's role as a wife. Chopin's messages was more broad, focusing on women's inability to escape the grasp of society. Relationships also changed from Chopin- unconditional love and commitment to husband and kids to Brady- objectification and idealization of women.
ReplyDelete2)Relationships have changed today in part because women are able to hold the same jobs as men. This is an equalizing factor because women are not just at home all day. The man must take equal responsibility for household work and the children if the woman is working the same hours as he is. It also equalizes power because no one has money to hold over the other person.
1. i dont think that their arguments are the same at all. It seemed that Brady focused on a role for a women being a wife, while Chopin was focusing more on how women didnt have the ability to escape society and the ridiculous standards they hold for women.
ReplyDelete2. I think that relationships between a male and female have become far more equal. Allowing women to work was an important step needed to advance for more equality, because now women dont necessarily have to do all of the house work like they did before.
1. "The Awakening focuses more on how being a wife was a woman's only option, while "I Want a Wife" focuses on the obscene expectations that are thrust upon a woman once she becomes a wife. That being said, the two authors to express two very similar opinions on the roles of women in marriage. They both discuss how marriage dehumanizes a woman and how it forces her many into many involuntary responsibilities. Although a woman had far more free will during the time period when "I Want a Wife" was written, pressures to conform to the perfect image of a domesticated house wife were still extremely prevalent in society.
ReplyDelete2. Relationships between men and women in western culture have evolved greatly since the 1890's and even a bit since the 1960's. As a culture, we are now more aware of the oppressive nature of gender roles and are therefore more likely to discuss them openly and avoid stereotyping ourselves as well as members of the opposite sex. That being said, women still face a power deficit socially and economically. White women make eighty cents to every dollar that a white man makes, even less if that women is black or hispanic. Women still do not have full ability to easily dictate the terms of their own reproductive rights. The vast majority of people political office are men, so women play a less significant role in determining the laws that effect both genders and laws that deal with women's rights specifically. In many instances of hetero-normative marriage, Brady's arguments still ring true. Women still bare the burden of most domestic responsibility. Women are still held responsible for child rearing, meal cooking, and house cleaning more often than their male compatriots. Many men and women today could still relate with Brady and say, "Who wouldn't want a wife?"
• Chopin and Brady both argue that women are not being allowed to live freely, but Brady makes a satirical essay about how much women do for men, while Chopin talks about how men are repressing women and not allowing them to live out their own lives. The 70 years between these works have been filled with achievements for women, but nothing that would create full equality between men and women.
ReplyDelete• Men and women have become increasingly equal in our modern society, and although they are still not considered equal by many, much progress has been made in these decades. Brott has a good argument, but his style is very condescending and sort of stupid.
1. It would appear that the relationship between man and woman didn't change much between 1899 and the 1960's. Both Chopin's novel and Brady's essay have similar themes involving the burdens that married women have. The tone of each piece, however, is radically different. Chopin has a more direct critical approach, while Brady uses a more satirical approach.
ReplyDelete2. Over the past few decades, gender barriers have been leveled with the bulldozer of EQUALITY. Despite all the progress, Bady's essay still holds more truth than we're comfortable with. While a majority of males probably don't share the same sentiments, there are still some that wouldn't be able to see the satire in Brady's writing.
1. I think that while each author share similar opinions of the roles of women in terms of martial status, but The Awakening depicts how being a wife and a mother was the only path for women, while “I Want a Wife” takes a more satirical approach and lists all the ridiculous notions of being a wife, a mother and a women that women are subject to. In both instances, there was a great deal of pressure to conform to the ideal women, a domesticated housewife who served everyone’s needs and wants.
ReplyDelete2. The relationships have evolved significantly between men and women, and the gender oppression is now openly talked about. Today, you are much more likely to find a relationship where each counterpart stands at equal grounds with one another, and neither is more dominant that the other- but rather a partnership (with loveeee). However, sexism is still prevalent in many instances and there are many aspects of society that are ingrained with the idea that a women is worth less and is less of an individual compared to a man. In many instances, Brady’s arguments still indeed ring true, and
1. The view of relationships changed quite a bit between the two texts. Women gained more rights, but the ideas that women were nurturers still persisted. Although women could work and vote, they were still expected to put the family first. Both of the texts follow a relatively similar path, going against the idea that women were the expected housekeepers, but there are some differences as well. In Brady's time, women had more rights, but they were expected to fork those over for their husbands. For Chopin's time, women didn't have rights to begin with, so they better have stayed in the house. The difference really lies in the freedom that women held during the two different time periods. Otherwise, the topic of women being forced into the house remains constant.
ReplyDelete2. To reiterate, women are still generally seen as nurturers. Although there are far, far more opportunities open to them now than there were in Brady's or Chopin's time, there's still the thought present that women are meant to be the caregivers. Brady's argument does hold true to a degree. Women are still seen as objects in many, many cases, not to mention there's still the whole "perfect wife" mentality. There are those that agree with Brott, but I can't really say more people side with him than Brady. If we were to get into it in-depth, we could discuss the Men's Rights Movement in contrast to the Women's Rights Movement, but that would take too many words for blogspot to handle. Suffice it to say that although some people are concerned with men not being seen as capable of caring, the idea that women are meant for men's use is much more scandalous. More people are concerned with getting rid of the incredible inequality that women have, rather than caring about men "not being seen in such a great light as women." Suck it up. You can whine all you want about something so minor after you help take care of the major problems women face.